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Fecha 12 diciembre

Lugar: Kommandeursburg castle in Kerpen [Alemania] 

Informacion 

World of Darkness has gone through a lot of changes over time and has a vivid history of its own. Just recently, Paradox Interactive announced that the World of Darkness had found a new home. The cards are being reshuffled and there are a lot of questions. But, above all, this is a moment to celebrate, because great things are in store for World of Darkness fans. With Tenebrae Noctis – the European World of Darkness event, we want to provide a meeting point for long time World of Darkness fans, and offer you the chance to participate in shaping the future of the World of Darkness.

Kommandeursburg castle will be fully devoted to the World of Darkness, with table top games, workshops, informative panels, international guest stars and a Vampire LARP. World of Darkness has a great future ahead: video games, LARPs, pen & paper games, and maybe even more - and that´s precisely what our European attendees can celebrate in an exclusive environment.

Let´s celebrate with special guests such as Justin Achilli, Mark Rein-Hagen, Tobias Sjögren and Martin Ericsson (Paradox/White Wolf), Dhaunae de Vir (Biblioteca Oscura), Oliver Hoffmann and Oliver Graute (Feder & Schwert) and many others.

Tenebrae Noctis will take place on Saturday, December 12th 2015 at Kommandeursburg castle in Kerpen.

That’s right! We’ll have a whole castle just for ourselves! From 10am to 5am the following morning, all the place is ours. We will cast deep shadows over it and allow the horrors of the World of Darkness to take over!

You don’t need to worry about catering. We´ll take care of it as part of our visitors´ package. Non-alcoholic drinks will be available without limit for all attendees throughout the whole event at no extra charge. Alcoholic drinks will be available at regular prices. Before lunch, finger food will be available. From 2pm to 10pm, several booths will provide different styles of food (according to our plans: barbecue, Asian cuisine and crêpes) which will be served at no extra charge. After 10pm, cold snacks will be available free of charge as well.

There is plenty parking space around the venue. Of course, parking will be free for you. Accommodation are included in the Deepest Darkness pledge tier. Other tier backers can find a list of hotels under Further Information.

You don´t need to carry your costume with you all the time – there will be a cloakroom.

Guests of Honour

Mark Rein-Hagen is a roleplaying, card, computer and board game designer, best known as the creator of the roleplaying game Vampire: The Masquerade and its associated World of Darkness games, including Werewolf: The Apocalypse, Changeling: The Dreaming and Wraith: The Oblivion. Rein-Hagen is also one of the original two designers of Ars Magica. A TV show (Kindred: The Embraced) based on Vampire was produced by Aaron Spelling and shown on Fox TV with Rein-Hagen serving as a writer and producer. A founder and owner of White Wolf Game Studio, in 2007 he sold his half of the company and left the gaming field. In 2012, Rein-Hagen worked on a card game called Democracy for his company Make Believe Games. His next project was I AM ZOMBIE, a revolutionary role-playing game with cards and chips in which players would portray sentient zombies. I AM ZOMBIE books will reach the backers soon.

Justin Achilli began working at White Wolf in 1995. Achilli is an award-winning author and has contributed as an author for numerous Vampire: The Masquerade and Vampire: The Requiem titles, and acted as the developer for the launch of Vampire: The Requiem. Achilli has also contributed to Werewolf, Mage, Promethean, Changeling, Ravenloft, and other titles. He was promoted to Editing & Development Manager at White Wolf in 2005. Justin has worked on over 100 Vampire titles. Justin Achilli co-designed the Exalted role-playing game with Steve Wieck and Robert Hatch.

Justin Achilli is currently working for Ubisoft Red Storm. His latest contributions to Vampire: The Masquerade as a freelancer for Onyx Path include book Anarchs Unbound and and social deduction game Vampire: Prince’s Gambit, which is in development stage.

haunae De Vir led the most popular World of Darkness Spanish-speaking fan community in the early 2000s. De Vir was invited to contribute to the V20 foreword and to model for this tome as the new Tremere image. She also spearheaded the V20 Europe initiative to distribute the English edition of the V20 book across Europe.

Dhaunae is the founder and CEO of Biblioteca Oscura, the licensee for the V20, W20 and V20DA lines in the Spanish-speaking countries. She was also the producer of the World of Darkness event V20Mad which drew 1,200 attendees in 2014. Biblioteca Oscura has translated By Night Studios Mind’s Eye Theatre: Vampire into Spanish. Dhaunae De Vir is the executive producer to multi-awarded vampire web series Judas Goat. 

Feder & Schwert

F&S is a publishing company well known in German speaking countries for all areas of the Phantastic genre. The Mannheim based company published several Roleplaying Game product lines, amongst them was the World of Darkness until 2006. Spearheaded by Oliver Hoffmann and Oliver Graute  F&S published Vampire: Die Maskerade, Jäger: Die Vergeltung, Werwolf: Die Apokalypse, Wechselbalg: Der Traum, Mumien: Die Wiedergeburt, Dämonen: Die Gefallenen, Vampire aus der Alten Welt, die neue Welt der Dunkelheit, Werwolf: Paria and Vampire: Requiem. F&S offers did the translation of Vampire: Die Maskerade Jubiläumsausgabe (V20) in this capacity. 

The Panels

There are a total of eight panels for you to attend in two sessions: from 11am to 3pm, and from 4pm to 8pm. The panels will take place in the grand hall. 

11am - 11.45am

Panel 1: Paradox introduces themselves

Paradox is quite unknown as far as the World of Darkness is concerned. Paradox´s Tobias Sjögren and Martin Ericsson, now the White Wolf team, will introduce themselves and talk about their vision of World of Darkness future. The final 15 minutes are dedicated to questions from the audience.

This panel will be held again at 4pm. 

12am - 12.45pm

Panel 2: The History of World of Darkness

Find out what happened, take a glance behind the scenes and let Mark Rein·Hagen, Justin Achilli, Shane DeFreest, Oliver Hoffmann and Oliver Graute will guide you through the history of the World of Darkness. There will be anecdotes and revelations and of course questions by you, the audience.

1pm – 1.45 pm

Panel 3: The World of Darkness in Europe

The European licensees will introduce themselves, explaining how they are going to tackle the immense responsibility to (continue to) bring the World of Darkness to different non-English speaking countries in Europe, and what the future will bring. The final 15 minutes are dedicated to questions from the audience.

2pm – 2.45 pm

Panel 4: Guests of Honour

Justin Achilli and Mark Rein-Hagen will present their latest projects and will be available for questions from the audience.  

Panel 5: Paradox introduces themselves

Paradox is quite unknown as far as the World of Darkness is concerned. Paradox´s Tobias Sjögren and Martin Ericsson, now the White Wolf team, will introduce themselves and talk about their vision of World of Darkness future. The final 15 minutes are dedicated to questions from the audience.

5pm – 5.45pm

Panel 6: to be disclosed later

6pm – 6.45pm

Panel 7: That´s our wishlist for the World of Darkness

Now, it´s your turn!  This panel is your opportunity to tell Paradox/White Wolf what you want the World of Darkness to be or to become. Which books do you want to see published? Which digital, table top or LARP games would you like to play? What about the metaplot: what has to be in it, what needs to be omitted or would you prefer not to have a metaplot at all? Tell the guys in charge! They´re here to listen to you.

7pm – 7.45pm

Panel 8: By Night Studios – World-of-Darknss-LARPs

By Night Studios is the licensee for World of Darkness LARPs. They will introduce themselves and their system. By Night Studios will also reveal what they learned from you in Workshop 4 (‘The European way to LARP’) and whether this will have any impact on their future publications. 

Workshops

You can attend workshops all day long. For this purpose, we are inviting knowledgeable experts. Seats in the workshops are limited to 60 each, so please make sure you get to the workshop room early to avoid disappointment. 

11am – 11.45am

Workshop 1: Masks and MakeUp-FX (pending)

How do I put up make-up on for LARP with little effort but to great effect? How to work with latex? How do I make myself resemble a Nosferatu? How do I fake a nasty wound? All this can be learned here.

For Deepest Darkness backers this workshop starts at 1pm.

12 – 12.45

Workshop 2: Acting at the Pen & Paper Gaming Table

Good acting intensifies the roleplaying experience at the gaming table. It increases fun and immersion. In this workshop you will learn a little acting at the gaming table and how to improve on Storytelling or playing with little effort but maximum effect.

For Deepest Darkness backers this workshop starts at 2pm.

1pm – 2pm

Workshop 3: Non-Player-Characters – the great challenge

How can NPCs get that special something at the gaming table? How can multiple NPCs be handled without confusing the players? What are the principle sins to avoid regarding NPCs? All this can be learned in this workshop, and we will create memorable NPCs for your next chronicle.

For Deepest Darkness backers this workshop starts at 11am.

2pm – 2.45pm

Workshop 4: By Night Studios - The European way to LARP

TThe Mind´s Eye Theatre system of LARP is not very widespread in Europe. So, why´s that? By Night Studio asks you in this workshop. They want to speak to you to understand what adjustments might be needed in order to change that.

For Deepest Darkness backers this workshop starts at 12.

4pm – 4.45pm

Workshop 5: In role at the LARP

When LARPing, I cannot describe my play, I have to embody my role. How do I do that?  How do I play emotions, how can I overcome nervousness? All this and more can be learned in this workshop. 

For Deepest Darkness backers this workshop starts at 6pm.

5pm – 5.45pm

Workshop 6: to be disclosed later

For Deepest Darkness backers this workshop starts at 7pm.

6pm – 6.45pm

Workshop 7: to be disclosed later

For Deepest Darkness backers this workshop starts at 4pm.

7pm – 7.45pm

Workshop 8: A Werewolf, a Mage and a Vamp step into a bar…

What happens, if different systems of the World of Darkness are mixed in one group of players? How can that work? What are the risks and chances? What can be the reasons and motivations for characters from different settings to cooperate, collaborate or at least to go along with each other.

For Deepest Darkness backers this workshop starts at 5pm.

Tabletop Games

World of Darkness MPA

For the future, Paradox has already announced “One World of Darkness”. We want to make that true beforehand by organizing a multi parallel adventure with different systems of the Word of Darkness combined in one thrilling pen & paper session. Several gaming sessions will run parallel and their actions will influence each other. You might meet other groups of PCs, maybe players will swap groups, but whatever happens: It´s going to be very exciting!

Details about content and pre-registration will follow soon. 

Pen & Paper Sessions

We´ll offer you room for 20 RPG sessions that can run parallel and you can be one of the Storytellers, directing a group of players through the shadows. You can give your players a memorable experience by ordering the additional product “Storyteller” when pledging.

In order to coordinate with the rest of the scheduled event program the sessions are organized in two time slots. The first time slot begins at 11pm and ends at 3pm, the second slot starts at 4pm and ends at 8pm. If you plan on hosting two sessions or one that runs through both blocks, please book the Storyteller option once for morning and once again for the afternoon. Preregistered storytellers will be rewarded with an exclusive Event T-Shirt.

After 10pm, the gaming tables are available for free pen & paper gaming. Sessions here do not have to be preregistered, but we can reserve tables for preannounced sessions. First come, first serve.

As Tenebrae Noctis is an event fully dedicated to the World of Darkness we ask you to run games in one of the settings of the World of Darkness only. You have the free choice from classic WoD, new WoD and we would especially welcome the more exotic variations within the WoD, like Changings Breeds, Technocracy, Orpheus, Demon: the Fallen or one of the Dark Ages settings. So please choose the system you want to host a session with from the wide choice within the World of Darkness. We welcome all shades of darkness here. 

LARP

Do you remember the V20-LARP? The organizing and directing team that astonished you then and gained a lot of applause and acclaim is back together. They are extremely happy to offer you another LARP within the historic backdrop of a renaissance castle. Björn Fehr, Markus Sudbrock, Patrick Paulsen, Patrick Lange, Hauke Schütte and Chris Jordan are going to involve you in another thrilling, mindboggling, exciting and memorable LARP plot.

Background

“Finally, we can harvest on our labour, but there are still many efforts left to be undertook. Hunters mercilessly take advantage of our shortcomings. They report significant progress in contested cities that lack strong leadership. Last month, we lost two Kainites in Aachen alone!”

The high looming hall was illuminated by five candles held by a heavy chandelier in the middle of the table. This flickering light could not reach the five figures´ faces hidden deeply under the hoods of their dark robes.

The General of the CUSTODES SANGUINIS, die Warden of Blood, finished his account with a slight bow. His audience listened in pondering silence until Engelbert von Berg, their headman, rose to speak.

“We may not reduce our efforts. One first step is done. Now, the next must follow!” His eye glanced insistently out of his scarred grimace. “We shall collaborate with those who want to join us! Let us call in a holy council, so we can all come together, shielded by an Elysium´s truce in order to deliberate!”

The tall librarian of the order nodded. “I will send out the invitations right away, honourable Father!  - Thus it shall be done!”

Much has happened since the V20 event, directed by the Wardens of Blood. Sabbat and Camarilla have agreed on a peace treaty, but this is not yet the end. Only together they can engage the Hunters. This is the reason for the Wardens of Blood to invite to a council held on one of their orders castles. They want to negotiate further operations and strategies with delegations of all clans, they want to form alliances, they want to exchange with the other Kindred.  And you are invited to take part!  

LARP Areas

The LARP will be played all over the castle, except for the westwing (Westflügel), which is reserved for undisturbed pen & paper gaming sessions.

Before the beginning of the Live action at 10.30pm there will be dedicated rooms for changing and make-up separated by gender.

Your character

Your precise role within the LARP depends on your pledge level. Children of the Night do not actively participate, but if they are in the play area they will have to allow being approached in character. They are regarded as humans or ghouls without a specific character.

At pledge level Put on your Mask, you will participate with a Neonate character, at Noblesse oblige your character will have the rank of an Ancilla and at Deepest Darkness you will even play an Antediluvian. The team organizing the LARP will contact you about your character.

Calculation

With the following we´d like to give you insight into the calculation behind this event. We want you to know, how we spend your money (based on 260 attendees)

Renting the castle including staff, furniture and equipment: EUR 7.279,-
Food and beverages for guests: EUR 14.433,-
Travel expenses and accommodation for guests of honour: ~ EUR 3.000 to 5.000
Royalties and material expenses for workshops: EUR 1.000
LARP-Budget und Decorations: EUR 2.000,-
Staff incl. Accommodation, Catering, Travel Expenses: ~EUR. 7.000,-
Total: EUR 36.712

 Organizers

Ulisses Spiele is Germany´s largest Roleplaying Game publisher and distributor with several successful lines of games. Most recently Ulisses published Vampire: Die Maskerade Jubiläumsausgabe (V20) after a very successful crowdfunding. Part of this release was a highly appraised Vampire LARP in Bonn this summer.

Biblioteca Oscura is holding the license for the Spanish editions of Vampire: The Masquerade V20, Mage: The Ascension M20, Werewolf: The Apocalypse W20 and Mind´s Eye Theatre. After an immensely successful crowdfunding Vampiro: La Mascarada 20º Aniversario was released last year, Teatro de la Mente: Vampiro La Mascarada was released this year and there is more to come.

Supporters

White Wolf and World of Darkness were acquired by Paradox Interactive on October the 26th 2015. White Wolf is now based in Stockholm with a brand new team and a focused vision. As a separate company owned by Paradox Interactive, White Wolf is dedicated to bringing its gritty and mature brand of participatory storytelling to fans new and old. This vision will be realized in multiple digital games titles, across a full range of media and immersive live-action events.

White Wolf team have manifested to have a deep respect and love for the fans and co-creators of the World of Darkness in all its various incarnations. They look forward to telling their stories and giving the fans "everything they need to continue to tell theirs". Their goal is to centralize all aspects of the universe to manage it with the love and care it deserves.

By Night Studios is the official licensed publisher for new Mind’s Eye Theatre products for White Wolf’s World of Darkness setting. Its mission is to usher in a renaissance for the World of Darkness Mind’s Eye Theatre experience. Its founders and staff are all long-time fans of the World of Darkness and enthusiastic advocates of Live Action games. They include game industry professionals who for almost two decades have been involved in the creation and promotion of World of Darkness products and Mind’s Eye Theatre events.

PRECIOS

100€ Registration will be open from 10am onwards. A cloakroom will be available and we will provide you with free food and beverages during the whole duration of the event. You can attend all the panels and workshops, and if you want to watch the LARP you are allowed to be in the designated areas where it will be played, but without any specific character, function or role. You will be human or ghoul. 

150€ Registration will be open from 10am onwards. A cloakroom will be available and we will offer you food and beverages during the whole duration of the event. You can attend all the panels and workshops. You may participate in the LARP with a Neonate character.

250€ VIP-Registration will be open from 10am onwards. A cloakroom will be available and we will offer you food and beverages during the whole duration of the event. You can attend all the panels and workshops. In the VIP area, you will participate in the dinner banquet with the guests of honour. You may participate in the LARP with an Ancilla character.

500€ Registration will be open from 10am onwards. A cloakroom will be available and we will offer you food and beverages during the whole duration of the event. You can attend all the panels and workshops. In the VIP area, you will participate in the dinner banquet with the guests of honour and will be seated next to one of them.

All the workshops will take place again in a dedicated workshop room you will have exclusive access to. You may participate in the LARP with an Elder character. The LARP organizers will give you a significant position if you so wish. We will provide for your accommodation in a single room at a hotel nearby. If the photographer stretch goal is achieved, you will get an exclusive photo shooting in the historic castle, and you can take the photos with you as the souvenir of this unforgettable experience. We will reserve the first rows in the panel room for you by name.

Vamos no colo aqui y las montan en el extranjero con solo un mes de anticipacion??Veo algunos de los mismos errores no aprenden :(

Vamos no colo aqui y las montan en el extranjero con solo un mes de anticipacion??Veo algunos de los mismos errores no aprenden :(

Puedo asegurarte que muy posiblemente se les llene el evento alli.  Ahora mismo tienen 2 850€ [29% de lo que se necesita]

Os repito que mas alla de los Pirineos tienen una vision y una concepcion muy distinta de los LARPS

Le veo salida por el tema de Paradox seguramente la gente querra saber que cva a pasar con el juego ahora y si no me equivoco pone que iran alli a decirlo eso le dara el 50% de la gente que vaya alli

Pues, lamentablemente, no voy a poder ir. Aunque un castillo alemán para una Mascarada mola bastante más que un céntrico hotelito. Y coincido con Julia en que es más probable que obtenga más de 25 ó 30 reservas. Eso si, muy probablemente, de otros países que no España.

Aunque también veo problemas: no sólo la antelación, que me parece poca, sino la oportunidad, teniendo en cuenta la que esta cayendo.

Una duda más, que me asalta: el coste total anunciado es inferior al propuesto por las Tenebraecon, ¿me equivoco? Hablo aparte de costes de desplazamiento y alojamiento.
Y, dado que mi inglés es pobre y leo desde el móvil: ¿Hay anunciado algo más que el vivo? ¿Hay anunciada la presencia de alguien "famoso"?

Julia, coincido en que más allá de los Pirineos, la concepción del rol, en vivo o no, es distinta (que sea mejor o peor, es discutible) pero no ha sido ese, en mi opinión, el problema de la cancelación de las Tenebraecon.

Por lo demás, os deseo que os lo paséis de rechupete los que podáis ir y ya nos contareis, espero, que tal la experiencia.

Le veo salida por el tema de Paradox seguramente la gente querra saber que cva a pasar con el juego ahora y si no me equivoco pone que iran alli a decirlo eso le dara el 50% de la gente que vaya alli

Es decir, ¿la gente pagará un montón de euros para ir a escuchar algo que estará en sus páginas roleras a los 10 segundos vía red social? ¿O les harán firmar un NDA? xd.

¿Hay anunciado algo más que el vivo? ¿Hay anunciada la presencia de alguien "famoso"?

Guests of Honour = Huéspedes de Honor.

Mark Rein-Hagen

Justin Achilli 

Dhaunae De Vir 

Una duda más, que me asalta: el coste total anunciado es inferior al propuesto por las Tenebraecon, ¿me equivoco? Hablo aparte de costes de desplazamiento y alojamiento.
Y, dado que mi inglés es pobre y leo desde el móvil: ¿Hay anunciado algo más que el vivo? ¿Hay anunciada la presencia de alguien "famoso"?

En otros lugares, los eventos LARPS tienen ayudas para poder realizarse. Alquilar aqui un castillo te sale mucho mas caro que alli.

Van: Mark Rein-Hagen, Justin Aquilli y Dhaunae de momento. 

Se realizaran no solo paneles, sino tambien talleres. 

Por que no les importa pagar por sus hobbies y lo hacen con gusto. El Drachenfest me encantó y repetiría sin dudarlo. El buen rollo, la preparación, buen ambiente y legalidad de los participantes me da una envidia...

Hombre, el bueno de Rein-Hagen. :)
Ya se que me vais a crucificar pero ¿en calidad de qué viaja Dhuanae De Vir?

Ya se que me vais a crucificar pero ¿en calidad de qué viaja Dhuanae De Vir?

 De Vir was invited to contribute to the V20 foreword and to model for this tome as the new Tremere image. She also spearheaded the V20 Europe initiative to distribute the English edition of the V20 book across Europe.

Va por que gracias a ella y la gente de BO el v20 y demas licencias han llegado a Europa. 

Saber que en otros países se apoyan este tipo de iniciativas es una muy buena noticia y explica el porque de algunas cosas. De otras, lamentablemente, creo que no.
Porque no cre o que se trate sólo de pagar por mis hobbies y hacerlo con gusto. Pago cuando tengo que pagar y lo que tengo que pagar... Otra cosa es que lo que se me ofrezca no me llame la atención.

Correcto, Julia. Gracias por el apunte.

Anium !! También has estado en el Drachenfest !?  Yo fui el año pasado y me lo pasé de rechupete...la verdad es que el nivel y la implicación que le ponen allí, es envidiable 100%.

Sólo decirte que tras una semana, me quedé con ganas de más...jajajajaj!! 

Estaba en el Golden en 2014. Me hubiera gustado repetir este, pero no había dinero. Aun así no pienso que deba ser más barato para que yo pueda ir.

Como salga allí con el mismo formato es que me descojono vivo xD

De todas formas no será lo mismo y corregidme si me equivoco pero ¿tampoco son los mismos organizadores no? lo cierto es que si que será muy parecido y tiene ya el formato de pago que tanto le han criticado a las tenbrae. Ojala salga adelante y sea en si mismo una prueba viviente de que efectivamente los de la Tenbraecon no estaba planteando un disparate, simplemente enfocaron mal el público objetivo... españoles xD.

Un castillo...
Bebida y comida...
Aparcamiento...
Con posibilidad dr alojamiento incluido...
Y por un presupuesto de menos de 37.000 (sin tener q poner ni perder dinero la organización)
Con un desglose de gastos...

Hay diferencia, si no fuera porque ni aleman es tan malo como mi inglés estaba yo alli el primero XD

JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA... hombre claro, es que si tiene aparcamiento! ¡Y por 37.000! No como la tenebraecon que eran 46.000! Que diferencia! Si es que los alemanes otra cosa no, pero las cosas las hacen bien XD

Ya esta empezando veo el descojone en el horizonte.

Cita:

Si son 10 mil euros menos por un castillo, con comida bebida, alojamiento y aparcamiento (A mi el aparcamiento en el V20 me salió por un pico), cuatro cosas que no tenían las Tenebrae y por 10mil euros menos, ¡pero oye1, si para ti no hay diferencia...

Un castillo es bastante mas barato de alquilar que un hotel... Sobretodo si eres bueno negociando.

Efectivamente recuerdo que en el hilo de las tenebrae aqui Uktena hablo sobre el alquiler de un castillo y mas barato que aquel hotel y España esta llena de castillos. Nada nuevo bajo el Sol.

Un castillo es bastante mas barato de alquilar que un hotel... Sobretodo si eres bueno negociando.

Unas cuantas catapultas y unas pocas tropas, y te sale tirado de precio.

Quita quita, que con lo caras que van y recontruir despues te sale por un pico, y eso si usas goblins, que son gratis.

 Si son 10 mil euros menos por un castillo, con comida bebida, alojamiento y aparcamiento (A mi el aparcamiento en el V20 me salió por un pico), cuatro cosas que no tenían las Tenebrae y por 10mil euros menos, ¡pero oye1, si para ti no hay diferencia...

There is plenty parking space around the venue. Of course, parking will be free for you. Accommodation are included in the Deepest Darkness pledge tier. Other tier backers can find a list of hotels under Further Information.

El hotel sólo está incluido en los que pagan 500€, no para el resto.

Efectivamente recuerdo que en el hilo de las tenebrae aqui Uktena hablo sobre el alquiler de un castillo y mas barato que aquel hotel y España esta llena de castillos. Nada nuevo bajo el Sol.

Ejemplo de castillo para alquilar

Manzanares el real [solo puede usarse hasta la 1 de la mañana] jornada completa 7000€, media jornada que seran 6h 4500 y seria solo el recinto del castillo, alquilar las salas va por separado y desde los 4000 hasta los 1200...

Si son 10 mil euros menos por un castillo, con comida bebida, alojamiento y aparcamiento (A mi el aparcamiento en el V20 me salió por un pico), cuatro cosas que no tenían las Tenebrae y por 10mil euros menos, ¡pero oye1, si para ti no hay diferencia...

El hotel sólo está incluido en los que pagan 500€, no para el resto.

Y con esto me ha demostrado Puck que el si ha leido el tocho que he puesto

Bueno Alemania es el banco de europa(con permiso de suiza pero esta no anda en la ue), es el pais donde van nuestros estudiantes a buscar trabajo y ofrecen un castillo XD 

Esta claro que no es lo mismo ofrecerselo a esa gente muchisimo mas pudiente que aqui economias diferentes.

Bueno Alemania es el banco de europa(con permiso de suiza pero esta no anda en la ue), es el pais donde van nuestros estudiantes a buscar trabajo y ofrecen un castillo XD 

Esta claro que no es lo mismo ofrecerselo a esa gente muchisimo mas pudiente que aqui economias diferentes.

Esta claro que el evento esta destinado a un tipo de persona que puede que no seas tu, si yo tuviera trabajo y el dinero iria, por que me gusta poder ver los trabajos de otros organizadores y poder mejorar los mios.

Tal vez deberias tu organizar uno para gente no tan pudiente.

jaja cuando he dicho que yo iba montar nada o que lo haria mejor?xD

Y solo hay que mirar, en Alemania los sueldos son mayores la tasa de paro esta en el 4`7  y en españa el 22'7 ni para mi ni para unos cuantos millones de españoles xD

jaja cuando he dicho que yo iba montar nada o que lo haria mejor?xD

Con lo que estas diciendo parece que tu lo harias mejor que ellos y mucho mas barato

Y solo hay que mirar, en Alemania los sueldos son mayores la tasa de paro esta en el 4`7  y en españa el 22'7 ni para mi ni para unos cuantos millones de españoles xD

Lo van a hacer en Alemania, pero ¿sabes si solo iran alemanes? es un evento de rol en el que el ingles estara presente, asi que iran de mas paises

Cita:

No ¿Y tu?No creo que vayan solo alemanes pero siendo alli seran mayoria .Ademas mas razon me das si va gente de fuera de alemania es mas gasto debe de ser alguien muchisimo mas pudiente que aqui el español medio.